Minutes of the 2018 AGM at the Star and Garter, Greenwich

  1. Welcome, apologies and introductions (Mary Mills) MM welcomed those present, who were 10 members (out of a membership of 100) and noted apologies from Sarah Ellis and Gareth Scarlet.
  2. Review of the year (Mary Mills) MM then reviewed a year of slow progress on the main issues of considerate behaviour and the associated change in the byelaws, but small improvements in signs and a fogwoft stall at Friends of Island Gardens summer party (see Review attached)
  3. Finance (John Phillips) JP informed of a balance of over £250 with income and expenditure last year of £60 and £90 respectively.
  4. Committee Vacancies and Elections  Louise Blore took the Chair for this item and all current members of the committee were reelected without opposition.  These are now Chair: Mary Mills, Secretary: Ian Blore, Treasurer: John Phillips, Press Officer: vacant,            Representatives of Tower Hamlets: Martyn Daniels, Newham: Mike Shallcross and Woolwich: vacant.
  5. Any Other Business There was no other business

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Fogwoft Review of the Year 2017-2018

Major Actions by fogwoft

  • Meeting with Greenwich Council staff (June)
  • Recommended ending “technical trial” of Movement Management Scheme (MMS)
  • Comments on Draft Byelaw (July)
  • Preparation and acceptance by Council of Terms of Reference for future MMS
  • Detailed manual use survey of Greenwich Tunnel (Sept) (with LBTH Councillor)
  • Proposal for a full scrutiny of the Tunnels by the Council Overview and Scrutiny Panel (in 2018 – 2019)

Major Failures

  • Greenwich Tunnel south lift failure and out of action for 2 months
  • Greenwich Tunnel cable burnout causing lift and lights failure

Improvement and Social

  • Plaque installed explaining bomb damage to Greenwich Tunnel
  • Participation in Island Gardens summer fete

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Minutes of the following General Meeting

  1. The Proposed New Byelaw (Ian Blore) An extract of the proposed byelaw was available and IB noted that first this was likely to take a long time through the process of the 3 Boroughs and then the Secretary of State.  Until that time fogwoft’s position has been that no further trial of permitted cycling should be undertaken by the Council, which had been agreed by them.

Bruce Lynn who co-ordinates weekly Healthy Rides in SE London pointed out that apart from the lethal Rotherhithe tunnel there were no cycling crossings of the river below Tower Bridge.  Other riverine crossings such as Deptford Creek allowed cycling on shared space.  He proposed that cycling should be allowed as the default option, not as a favoured permission.

This stimulated a lively discussion with MS referring to the poor standards for shared space in both tunnels, JP suggesting that the loss of lift attendants had led to a minority of cyclists causing distress even among fellow-cyclists because of their behaviour, and Anthony Austin asking what has been the fogwoft position on possible river crossings (such as that proposed at Durands Wharf).  IB responded that publicly fogwoft had supported such schemes for several years, but that they were long-term.  Michael Byrne felt that the byelaw change may also be long-term and it was guessed that 2019 was more likely than 2018.  In sum the meeting agreed to differ on whether cycling should ever be allowed in the tunnels and on what terms but agreed to move on to the next item as the only possible was to resolve these differences.

2. The Movement Management Trial (Martyn Daniels)

MD outlined the present position of the MMT and that fogwoft had prepared draft terms of reference for evaluating the trial which had (he thought surprisingly) been accepted by the Council.  He felt that the launch of a new trial must be impeccable for any of its results to be credible and that the so-called “technical trial” in 2017 was not.  MD also pointed out that, according to a manual count organised by a Tower Hamlets councillor and fogwoft last year (attached), both pedestrian and cycling peaks are at the same time and that the automated movement system does not well distinguish them.

The discussion centred around the need for better signs, especially in lifts,  before any trial and during it, advocated by Sebastian Touray and strongly supported by MD and Michael Byrne and the thorny question of when bad cyclists would be penalised and by whom (JP).  It was agreed that fogwoft would strongly request the current No Cycling signs be updated and clarified.  There was agreement that the trial should continue to be actively supported by fogwoft.

3. Lift and Lighting Problems (Ian Blore)

MD explained the problem of the lights which had been caused by a cable burn out but was really due to the lighting cables not being loomed alternately which means that all lights in one half of the lift are affected.  We have been assured that this would be rectified, and was contrary to the original contract.  IB explained the 2 major lift problems, both in the Greenwich South lift, and both reported on the fogwoft website.  The meeting could only note with dismay that serious problems continue which led to the next item.

4. Proposed Scrutiny by Greenwich Council in 2018

MM explained the scrutiny process and that it is a way to inform councillors of what is happening but does not have “teeth”.  It can be used to publicise an issue and fogwoft could exploit this.  IB informed the meeting that fogwoft had put down the tunnels for a scrutiny in the year after the elections.  It will be up to the new Council to agree to this scrutiny and to time it.  We could usefully strengthen this by writing to successful candidates after the elections.

5.Events in 2018

MD agreed to have fogwoft invited to put on a stall at the Friends of Island Gardens party in summer 2018.

MM noted that she and IB would be speaking at the Subterranea Britannica conference at Imperial College in April.

  1. AOB There was no other business and the meeting closed at 21.15.

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Greenwich Foot Tunnel count at 6/9/2017

Greenwich Foot Tunnel Count 6/9/17
South / North
Cyclists Riding Cyclist Walking Cyclist Running Runners Adult Pedestrians Pedestrains under 10 Prams Wheelchairs
0700/0800 223 70 17 26 56 0 0 0
0800/0900 231 173 5 28 65 1 1 0
0900/1000 83 47 1 9 33 0 2 0
537 290 23 63 154 1 3 0
North/ South
Cyclists Riding Cyclist Walking Cyclist Running Runners Adult Pedestrians Pedestrains under 10 Prams Wheelchairs
0700/0800 35 15 1 8 16 0 0 0
0800/0900 23 17 6 31 0 0 0
0900/1000 14 9 4 68 2 1 0
72 41 1 18 115 2 1 0
Overall traffic AM 609 331 24 81 269 3 4 0
South / North
Cyclists Riding Cyclist Walking Cyclist Running Runners Adult Pedestrians Pedestrains under 10 Prams Wheelchairs Dogs
1600/1700 18 24 4 99 1 6 0 1
1700/1800 30 37 1 1 86 0 1 0 0
1800/1900 23 28 1 9 52 0 0 0 0
71 89 2 14 237 1 7 0 1
North/ South
Cyclists Riding Cyclist Walking Cyclist Running Runners Adult Pedestrians Pedestrains under 10 Prams Wheelchairs Dogs
1600/1700 60 37 2 5 91 5 3 0 1
1700/1800 122 99 6 33 90 2 1 0 0
1800/1900 204 135 6 46 120 1 1 0 0
386 271 14 84 301 8 5 0 1
Overall traffic PM 457 360 16 98 538 9 12 0 2

 

 

 

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